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Last post 02-28-2008, 3:33 AM by Darrel. 7 replies.
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  •  02-23-2008, 1:49 AM 13133

    Carb faulty?

    Hi

    Previous thread seemed to go dead.  So will try again.  998 fitted with a single SU HS2.  The carb was rebuilt about 3000 km's ago.  Has been smooth sailing till now.  At low rpm she splutters and jerks along.  At idle the engine is hunting - turning the adjutment does absolutely nothing.  Fully in or out makes not difference to the running of the engine.  I had a performance filter on and put the original back as I thought that may be an issue.  No change.  It also pops and backfires occasionally foot off the accelerator - under compression.  Now there is a little bluish smoke on rev.  Was not previously - so I assume she is running rich.  But the adjust does not seem to work.  Can something be stuck?

    I thought it may be ignition so went through everything.  Strong spark at each cylinder - has new plugs, cap, rotor, leads...  Timing is spot on.

    Assistance appreciated.

    Thanks 

     

  •  02-23-2008, 8:13 AM 13136 in reply to 13133

    Re: Carb faulty?

    An update

    If I hold my hand over the intake  - covering about 80% - the engine settles into a nice steady idle with no flat spot, lumpiness or hunting.  If I press in the piston lifting pin at this stage - the engine dies.  According to Haynes this is indicative of a weak mixture.  Seems odd though due to the smoke?  Is the carb letting through to much air?  And what could be causing this?

  •  02-23-2008, 8:53 AM 13137 in reply to 13133

    Re: Carb faulty?

    Darrel,

    Drivability issues are difficult to diagnose even when the car is presented in the shop. From a distance we can only rely upon your description, so please be very precise with each statement; indicating exactly what is being adjusted and what results. I'm not sure what is meant, for example, by the phrase," No change, It also pops and backfires occaisionally foot off the accellerator - under compression." Does it backfire through the carburetter? or the tailpipe? are you at speed and decellerating when this happens? What is meant by "under compression"? Any running engine is "under compression.

    You mention that the engine is "hunting". Now, I'm sure it's not hunting for rabbits, but I need to know if you mean the engine speed is surging up and down, or just is almost dying and then recovering. "turning the adjustment does absolutely nothing." Which adjustment?..and so on.

    Darrel, sometimes when I don't get back to someone right away it's because I'm considering what has gone before. I also have a very busy shop to run. I'm sure you can appreciate that. Also, sometimes these threads can "go dead" because the folks reading them cannot understand what is being said and don't or won't take the time to try to interpret. We each have our own internal language to describe what's happening and often others are not on the same wave length. I have not forgotten you, but it must be up to YOU to keep the thread going, as everyone has plenty of other concerns in this day and age. Sorry, didn't mean to lecture.

    Bluish smoke is the burning of oil. Excessive fueling causes black smoke. Look very carefully at that smoke color. Look for vacuum leaks at the juncture of the carburetter and the manifold, and where the manifold joins the cylinder head. Also look ANYWHERE downstream of the carburetter where ther is any opportunity for leakage, such as at hose fittings or plugs. You can diagnose these things by spraying (CAREFULLY & SPARINGLY) carberetter cleaner at the suspected points with the engine running. If the engine speed changes coincidentally with the spraying, you may have found a vacuum leak.

    My latest speculation is that you could have a head gasket going bad. The sudden appearance of oil smoke, along with the uneven running causes this thought. BUT, don't assume this to be the case and rip it's head off!  Always diganose to a virtual certainty first, THEN act. Let me know what you are finding. Cheers.

     


    Motorbill
    From Lola to Land Rover, If it's British and has wheels, it's likely I've bloodied me knuckles thereupon
  •  02-24-2008, 5:58 AM 13143 in reply to 13137

    Re: Carb faulty?

    No problem.

    There is no change to the engine when I adjust the mixture by turning the mixture adjusting nut.  The engine continues to hunt - surging up and down.  It is popping and backfiring through the exhaust - noticeable more decelerating at speed.  Under compresion I mean - no pressure on the accelerator - but the car is still running (decelerating) at speed in gear.  Turning the jet adjusting nut - does not seem to bring about any changes to engine speed, smokiness - or illicit any changes to the procedure using the piston lifting pin - described in the Haynes manual.

    I will take your suggestion about the carb spray.  Will also get an assistant so I can check the smoke colour - will save running to the back!

     

  •  02-26-2008, 2:43 AM 13165 in reply to 13143

    Re: Carb faulty?

    Motorbill,

    Tried the carb cleaner spray trick.  Could not find any faults.  Engine continued to behave badly.  I have found a local carb specialist who does SU's - not so easy to find - they seemed to be scared of SU's.  The car is going there tomorrow - so I can hopefully get it repaired or eliminated as a suspect - and move on to the cylinder head as the next possible culprit.

  •  02-26-2008, 10:33 PM 13180 in reply to 13165

    Re: Carb faulty?

    hi there I had a similar problem not so long back. Are your plugs showing signs of oil fouling and does the lumpy/ missing tickover stop at mid revs but still not "feel" right?  If so then it could be valve stem seals or piston rings.  You didn't mention if you were loosing oil or water but if you take off the clutch breather and its full of emulsified oil deposits(whiteish yellow sludge) then you could well be looking at head gasket problems. If so sort it out quick, I waited a weekend too long and cracked the block  
    Happiness is Clubman shaped...
  •  02-27-2008, 7:10 AM 13182 in reply to 13180

    Re: Carb faulty?

    There are stories of gnomes, goblins and fairies who come out at night and fix things.  They must have visited me last night.  I jumped in this morning and the engine purred to life with a nice steady idle.  No hint of a flat spot and drove along like the car I have come to know.  No backfiring, no misfire, no lumpy idle...!

    I still took it to the carb specialist who made a few minor adjustments - but could not find anything serious wrong.  Very odd!

  •  02-28-2008, 3:33 AM 13193 in reply to 13182

    Re: Carb faulty?

    Hi  Motorbill/Oz

    The carb man I took the car to suggested I replace the carb with something, for lack of a better word, more common.  Eg. a Weber.  I am reluctant as in my short experience with British cars the SU's seem to be the victims of unjustifiable poor publicity.  However, they seem to be releatively reliable and simple carbs - and the the scary stuff of nightmares.  I also had a suggestion to upgrade to and HS4 as this was a newer carb.  Looking at the HS2 & 4 they look fairly similar to me.

    What excited me more than a conversion was this - seen on the Moss-Europe site:

    MST017A
    HS2 Twin Carburettor Kit
    Note:includes manifold, heat shields, carbs, linkages, air filters etc...

    Any comments and opinions appreciated.